Has any other league done this (have Solecismic freeze the cap)? Curious if there are any results to look at.

I was like a lot of you in that when the issue first arose, especially during the discussions in my other league, I favored freezing the cap as the simplest solution. Now that I've looked everything over a few times over the past few months, I actually think the limit on renegotiations will better address the actual problem. I suppose that's why most leagues have opted for that.

[quote87aff9e="timmynausea"]Has any other league done this (have Solecismic freeze the cap)? Curious if there are any results to look at.[/quote87aff9e]

I have not heard of it.

Solecismic is generally very, very cautious about making any hacks to the data files like this. I'd guess that the odds of them doing it are pretty low and making any plans assuming it would happen is pretty short-sighted.

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[quote38dd01a="wademoore"][quote38dd01a="timmynausea"]Has any other league done this (have Solecismic freeze the cap)? Curious if there are any results to look at.[/quote38dd01a]

I have not heard of it.

Solecismic is generally very, very cautious about making any hacks to the data files like this. I'd guess that the odds of them doing it are pretty low and making any plans assuming it would happen is pretty short-sighted.[/quote38dd01a]

Then someone needs to ask if it can be done.

I just don't like the way we're currently doing it (bogus cap space).

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bump....

Any new thoughts on this? The season is coming to a close and [ifce530a][bfce530a]if[/bfce530a][/ifce530a] we're going to take a vote on this... we should probably do it soon.

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I believe that the final year-renegotiation rule is going to be the most effective fix.

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I thought the plan was to gradually increase the out of game salary cap penalty until we can freeze the next TV contract in game.

I still don't think this is the best solution, but I thought that's what we had voted on.

Am I wrong in thinking that?

Yeah, the cap freeze is something that should be in effect already. Any eventual votes should be held if we'd want to add more rules in addition to that one.

Also, the change to the cap increase in the "global options" should be done ASAP, or at least before starting the new season, since it only has an effect when a new TV contract comes. We don't have the option to change it later and have no way of telling when it's due.

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[quote98f86a9="TLK"]bump....

Any new thoughts on this? The season is coming to a close and [i98f86a9][b98f86a9]if[/b98f86a9][/i98f86a9] we're going to take a vote on this... we should probably do it soon.[/quote98f86a9]
I vote "YES" to ban all Presbyterians from this league. Good call TLK!

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[quotecf86ba2="Fonzie"]I believe that the final year-renegotiation rule is going to be the most effective fix.[/quotecf86ba2]

Ditto.

[quote3baeabe="timmynausea"][quote3baeabe="Fonzie"]I believe that the final year-renegotiation rule is going to be the most effective fix.[/quote3baeabe]

Ditto.[/quote3baeabe]

Ditto on this
and ditto on something needs to be done and voted on.

I have always been in favor of the final year fix, it's not perfect but seems to be the best / easiest, and we could do that, as well as freeze the cap to bring it back in check...and maybe by the time that happens Jim will have released an updated version.

The dead cap is what is in place now, and I'd vote to increase that if that is what the majority of the league wants, as I feel we need something, but I'd prefer the other way.

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Let's choose one or the other. I'm not a big fan of implementing multiple fixes, especially if it works out, we won't know which fix is the significant factor in resolving the problem.

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I like the last year renegotiation fix. The dead cap fix will be an issue when we finally do freeze the cap as it will be frozen higher than our dead cap space allows and we'll need to catch up.

The renegotiation fix makes for a smoother transition to a cap freeze at the end of a TV contract. It is also easier to obey, since I don't have to get a calculator out to figure out if I go over the dead cap limit. I just look at a guy and see if he's in his last year or not.

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I just want to be sure I understand this last year renegotiation bit.

If a player is on the last year of a contract, we cannot renegotiate a new contract with that player. He has to become a FA unless we go ahead and franchise the player, correct?

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[quotec2c6481="Cheesehead Craig"]I just want to be sure I understand this last year renegotiation bit.

If a player is on the last year of a contract, we cannot renegotiate a new contract with that player. He has to become a FA unless we go ahead and franchise the player, correct?[/quotec2c6481]

No. You can only renegotiate with a player that is in the last year of his contract. If he has 2, 3, 4 years left on his deal, you can't renegotiate. It makes it a much tougher choice to hand out a big, long term contract when you know you won't be able to reneg. it down until the last year.

[quoteec3e2b8="timmynausea"][quoteec3e2b8="Cheesehead Craig"]I just want to be sure I understand this last year renegotiation bit.

If a player is on the last year of a contract, we cannot renegotiate a new contract with that player. He has to become a FA unless we go ahead and franchise the player, correct?[/quoteec3e2b8]

No. You can only renegotiate with a player that is in the last year of his contract. If he has 2, 3, 4 years left on his deal, you can't renegotiate. It makes it a much tougher choice to hand out a big, long term contract when you know you won't be able to reneg. it down until the last year.[/quoteec3e2b8]

I haven't followed along in other leagues. Is there an easy way to monitor this?

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So if a player gets injured or has a down year, he can't be renegotiated unless its his last year.

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[quotebf768f0="TLK"]
I haven't followed along in other leagues. Is there an easy way to monitor this?[/quotebf768f0]

gstelmack wrote an utility which monitors this - Skydog uses it in the WOOF.

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[quoted565585="TurfToe"]So if a player gets injured or has a down year, he can't be renegotiated unless its his last year.[/quoted565585]

that is correct, what i've seen in other leagues is a no renegotiation unless its the last year, no matter what.

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[quotefadb9db="3ric"][quotefadb9db="TLK"]
I haven't followed along in other leagues. Is there an easy way to monitor this?[/quotefadb9db]

gstelmack wrote an utility which monitors this - Skydog uses it in the WOOF.[/quotefadb9db]

What happens during holdouts?

[quotedb0fc12="thater"][quotedb0fc12="3ric"][quotedb0fc12="TLK"]
I haven't followed along in other leagues. Is there an easy way to monitor this?[/quotedb0fc12]

gstelmack wrote an utility which monitors this - Skydog uses it in the WOOF.[/quotedb0fc12]

What happens during holdouts?[/quotedb0fc12]

I think holdouts should be the only exception....
And now I'm curious as well how the utility handles this, although it'd be easy to see on the player card that the hold out began, contract given, holdout ended.

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[quote15d044c="Doug5984"][quote15d044c="TurfToe"]So if a player gets injured or has a down year, he can't be renegotiated unless its his last year.[/quote15d044c]

that is correct, what i've seen in other leagues is a no renegotiation unless its the last year, no matter what.[/quote15d044c]

Not a fan of this rule at all for this reason alone. There have been several cases where this could come into play and it would be a valid reason to be able to renogiate the contract.

[quote542b332="Shooter"][quote542b332="Doug5984"][quote542b332="TurfToe"]So if a player gets injured or has a down year, he can't be renegotiated unless its his last year.[/quote542b332]

that is correct, what i've seen in other leagues is a no renegotiation unless its the last year, no matter what.[/quote542b332]

Not a fan of this rule at all for this reason alone. There have been several cases where this could come into play and it would be a valid reason to be able to renogiate the contract.[/quote542b332]

but the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that makes it the easiest...if a player is hit so hard by an injury that it is not worth paying him the original contract you could always try cutting him and resigning him on the open market at a much better price.

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[quote4e7e532="Doug5984"][quote4e7e532="Shooter"][quote4e7e532="Doug5984"][quote4e7e532="TurfToe"]So if a player gets injured or has a down year, he can't be renegotiated unless its his last year.[/quote4e7e532]

that is correct, what i've seen in other leagues is a no renegotiation unless its the last year, no matter what.[/quote4e7e532]

Not a fan of this rule at all for this reason alone. There have been several cases where this could come into play and it would be a valid reason to be able to renogiate the contract.[/quote4e7e532]

but the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that makes it the easiest...if a player is hit so hard by an injury that it is not worth paying him the original contract you could always try cutting him and resigning him on the open market at a much better price.[/quote4e7e532]

That may not be the case, especially with aging veterans. I great example is a guy I currently have on the roster, [player]Howie Bernard[/player]. He went from an 80+ player to a 60+ player during his 6th year and after signing a new contract during his last year of his original contract. It was roughly a $100,000,000 dollar deal in total value, which I never would have paid to a 60+ player. I was able to renogiate his salary to a reasonable level after his value dropped.

Now dropping him and trying to resign him would have killed his loyalty and I would have wound up in a major bidding war to resign him. Not a risk worth taking, but in reality it was fair to renogiate his deal without trying to work the system.

The alternative to all of this finagling bullcrap is to just keep the system we have.

It works even though star players never hit free agency.

I vote we keep the current system until the TV contract comes up, then we freeze the salary cap for 5 years.

THAT will fix the problem.

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[quote1fdd049="Stretch"]The alternative to all of this finagling bullcrap is to just keep the system we have.

It works even though star players never hit free agency.

I vote we keep the current system until the TV contract comes up, then we freeze the salary cap for 5 years.

THAT will fix the problem.[/quote1fdd049]

It's debatable that it will fix it. It'd be better than nothing, of course. Again, the problem with the game is the renegotiation code is too soft. That is what leads to the cap problems. So adjusting the cap would actually have less of an effect on the root problem than addressing renegotiations.