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Author:  T McShay [ Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:07 pm ]
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Author:  T McShay [ Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:08 pm ]
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Author:  fantastic flying froggies [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:35 pm ]
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see, maybe those rankings aren't so bad after all... :wink:
Author:  Matt Millen [ Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:09 pm ]
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Same as McShay's with Opp Win % added in.

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Author:  T McShay [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:16 pm ]
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Only Matt Millen would have two 4-3 teams in the top 3 of his rankings. My scoring weighs points scored, allowed, and win % twice as much as yards gained & given up.

The reason I don't include Strength of Schedule is that we have a playoff system, this is not Utah vs Florida for the national title debate. The CFL rates wins against any opponent equally (division record tie breaker aside). Lets say Las Vegas locks up the last wild card spot with a record of 10-6, with 2 wins coming against Honolulu. Tulsa has a record of 9-7, but did not play Honolulu. If the game said hold up, take those 2 wins away from Vegas and give Tulsa the wild card spot based on their schedule, then I would feel it would be important enough to include in the rankings.

If teams at the top of the rankings got there due to playing weaker competetion and cannot put up similar numbers against quality teams, then we will probably find that out quickly in the playoffs.
Author:  TurfToe [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:16 pm ]
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[quote265b2a2="T McShay"]Only Matt Millen would have two 4-3 teams in the top 3 of his rankings. My scoring weighs points scored, allowed, and win % twice as much as yards gained & given up.

The reason I don't include Strength of Schedule is that we have a playoff system, this is not Utah vs Florida for the national title debate. The CFL rates wins against any opponent equally (division record tie breaker aside). Lets say Las Vegas locks up the last wild card spot with a record of 10-6, with 2 wins coming against Honolulu. Tulsa has a record of 9-7, but did not play Honolulu. If the game said hold up, take those 2 wins away from Vegas and give Tulsa the wild card spot based on their schedule, then I would feel it would be important enough to include in the rankings.

If teams at the top of the rankings got there due to playing weaker competetion and cannot put up similar numbers against quality teams, then we will probably find that out quickly in the playoffs.[/quote265b2a2]

Oh, so we're using this to determine playoffs now? :roll:

Rankings, power ratings, etc. are to encourage discussion during the season and has nothing to do with playoffs. Since the playoffs don't start now it's not that easy to rank teams. It's okay to use subjective criteria when making a subjective comparison, that's sort of the point. We are actually trying to add objective data to help standardize these subjective rankings. Additionally, since the playoff system is only concerned with divisions and conferences, there is no comparison across the conferences, at least not until the CFL Bowl. SOS can help settle the subjective debate of which undefeated team is better for example. The playoffs tell us who the best team was over the course of the season while rankings are a measuring stick for the entire league for any given point during the season.

SOS is relevant during the season because a 3-5 team with an opponent win percentage of .570 can be argued to be better than a 5-3 team with an opponent win percentage of .425. When the season is over we will know who the better team is based on who is 1-0 in CFL Bowl's for the year.

I like the Honolulu example because a win over Honolulu should not count as much as a win over Detroit or Tucson would in the ratings during the season. I'm not sure why playoffs are being mentioned in a discussion about ratings though. I'd like to see a comparison (both CFL and NFL) of the final power rankings for the year and the respective champion crowned. Rankings stop before the post season starts because ratings become obsolete after Week 16.

All that said, it would take a drunk Matt Millen to have any teams with a blemished record ahead of undefeated teams this far into the season. This simply indicates an incomplete or inaccurate formula imho.
Author:  Cheesehead Craig [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:17 pm ]
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Uh Oh... Analyst fight!!!

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Author:  TurfToe [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:21 pm ]
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1 point CC
Author:  Matt Millen [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:01 pm ]
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Here is a redo using 'Kipers' :shock: double points for pts scored, pts allowed, and win% with Opp Win % also included.

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Author:  TurfToe [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:09 pm ]
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Drunken bastard. :smt030
Author:  T McShay [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:35 pm ]
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TT, you make a good point. I used a poor example, and you have helped me determine what I was really wanting to showcase in these rankings. Dominance.

More to come.

P.S. Millen, how much did the Chicago Bears pay you to take the Detroit Lions and turn them into the Ford Fuck Ups?
Author:  Matt Millen [ Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:08 pm ]
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Didn't take much :D
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