I can always take him at 1.32 and trade him to you (for a price of course).
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| Author: | Stretch [ Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:33 pm ] |
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DT Buddy Anthony dropped off my list somehow. He was my #1 priority but now doesn't appear in my list at all. I'd like my 1.28 pick to be DT Buddy Anthony, not this DE Luong that was from way down my list. |
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| Author: | Shooter [ Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:36 pm ] |
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I can always take him at 1.32 and trade him to you (for a price of course).
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| Author: | Fonzie [ Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:24 pm ] |
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Well damn. I responded to Stretch's PM and began doing a rollback, but completely forgot about the priority list issue that such a move creates. I'll need to pause the draft and confer w/ the commish committee to see how to proceed. Apologies folks. |
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| Author: | Groo [ Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:28 pm ] |
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This happened to Las Vegas earlier and a roll back was denied. If you were to roll back for Huntington Beach that would be unfair to Las Vegas. |
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| Author: | Fonzie [ Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:31 pm ] |
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Yeah, I wasn't aware of that either. Been at work all day and just got home to this PM Stretch, not thinking of the priority list issue. |
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| Author: | Voodoo [ Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:33 pm ] |
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I agree with it beeing unfair for Las Vegas. But we would have to roll back to 1.14. Might as well start over then No idea how to proceed  so long Voodoo |
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| Author: | Stretch [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:44 am ] |
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DT Anthony was #1 or #2 on my priority list since the draft utility was set up. The utility didn't pick him. Why should I be punished for the system's technical glitch? |
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| Author: | Voodoo [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:12 am ] |
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you shouldnt be punished for it, problem is that LV got equally screwed making a rollback more difficult. |
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| Author: | TurfToe [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:41 am ] |
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I call bullshit on the utility. Mike Vanderjagt dropped off my list during my trade talks with Shreveport at 1.09. I went back and re-added him and I missed out on Anthony because the utility selected C Copeland while I was reordering my jacked up list. I was denied a correction because of the utility's inability to roll back. I might add that Vanderjagt dropped from my list without me making any changes, I just happened to check my priority tab and noticed he was gone and realized he dropped when I noticed no one selected him. Fonz, I deleted my PM to you since Masked answered first and told me I was SOL. I've been waiting a few years for a 1st round pick again and then I get utilitied. I think this was my final frustration and will spend my first-ever rebuilding draft setting the team up for the next owner. |
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| Author: | Aamalin [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:41 am ] |
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Yeah, this is a bit of a problem. I also agree that it would be unfair to LVS. TT knew it immediately as well, even prior to the next pick which was mine. Not sure how to rectify this. |
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| Author: | Raven Hawk [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:46 am ] |
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From my understanding, TT's issue is a little different as he was shifting his priorities when the app made the pick. If that Center that he picked happened to be at the top of his list when his time expired . . . well that's just bad luck. TT will have to weigh in if that's the case or not. However, I'd like to confirm that this is a known bug before we consider rolling the draft back anywhere. Restarting the draft is impractical because draft strategies have already played out and you'll see people jockeying to trade up to get a guy that went earlier than they wished. Same problem occurs if you try to roll back to 1.14. |
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| Author: | Groo [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:48 am ] |
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There has to be consistency in making rulings in the league. I don't think that, after a rollback was denied to one player another should get one. This is a completely unfair situation. Going forward, I think the league should have a set rule about this so that everyone knows what will happen and it will be able to be applied consistently. Also, it wouldn't hurt that, when you get the draft going, you give GMs a warning that, while ACTIVE in the utility, it is a good idea to turn OFF auto pick, so things like this don't happen. |
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| Author: | TurfToe [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:50 am ] |
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[quote4bb8ea9="Stretch"]DT Anthony was #1 or #2 on my priority list since the draft utility was set up. The utility didn't pick him. Why should I be punished for the system's technical glitch?[/quote4bb8ea9] He should have been gone 14 picks before you when the first glitch happened. I made it known before the next pick but because the player selected in his place cannot be added back to all the other GM's preference lists it can't be rolled back. Using a utility that does this is worse than not having a utility but having a utility is the only way we can do this. Catch 22 with a side of take it because you have to. I don't get it either... |
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| Author: | Stretch [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:54 am ] |
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[quotece5c527="TurfToe"][quotece5c527="Stretch"]DT Anthony was #1 or #2 on my priority list since the draft utility was set up. The utility didn't pick him. Why should I be punished for the system's technical glitch?[/quotece5c527] He should have been gone 14 picks before you when the first glitch happened. I made it known before the next pick but because the player selected in his place cannot be added back to all the other GM's preference lists it can't be rolled back. Using a utility that does this is worse than not having a utility but having a utility is the only way we can do this. Catch 22 with a side of take it because you have to. I don't get it either...[/quotece5c527] And if this is the decision of the league, I'll likely follow TT's lead and use this draft to set up HBE for the next owner. |
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| Author: | TurfToe [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:05 am ] |
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[quoteb13f6a3="Raven Hawk"]From my understanding, TT's issue is a little different as he was shifting his priorities when the app made the pick. If that Center that he picked happened to be at the top of his list when his time expired . . . well that's just bad luck. TT will have to weigh in if that's the case or not. However, I'd like to confirm that this is a known bug before we consider rolling the draft back anywhere. Restarting the draft is impractical because draft strategies have already played out and you'll see people jockeying to trade up to get a guy that went earlier than they wished. Same problem occurs if you try to roll back to 1.14.[/quoteb13f6a3] QB Mike Vanderjagt dropped off my list at 1.09. I checked and refrshed the selections to see who took him. No one did. I went back to add him and DT Buddy Anthony was gone also (Vanderjagt, Ryder, and Anthony were my top 3). As I was adding them back they get added at the end of the list. I was dragging these guys to the top of my list when it fired. Bad luck? Sure, but more like bad timing. It only happened because the utility sucks and dropped guys from my list. As a result, I've turned my timer off so I don't get screwed again. No sweat off my back but everyone can now wait for my selections. I hate that as much as anyone but I hope all will understand. I'm going to deal with it, however, allowing a roll back to someone when I was denied is as much bullshit as the utility sucking. I know how frustrated Stretch is because I feel the same way. You can't roll back the draft because it is a dynamic process and selections have been revealed that could only be handled fairly by making the same exact selections. If we are going to consider using this piece of shit in the future, I sugest a rollback process be put in place. When I cried foul at 1.14 the draft should have been paused, corrected, and a note sent out to everyone to replace C Copeland back in their lists, giving 24 hours for this to happen. Although this is inconvenient it is the right thing to do. I think the effects of the utility doing what it is doing without controls in place is far more damaging to the league and its integrity than a one day delay in the draft, but that's just my opinion. -TT |
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| Author: | Shooter [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:20 am ] |
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I have had a similar issue in another league ithe past and for the same reason, I never use the auto-pick in the utility. I agree that we need to have a policy in place. |
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| Author: | TurfToe [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:03 am ] |
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[quote6214413="Shooter"]I have had a similar issue in another league ithe past and for the same reason, I never use the auto-pick in the utility. I agree that we need to have a policy in place.[/quote6214413] I now fully understand. I selected a guy at 1.14 that should have been way down on my list for later consideration. No more. Everyone can wait for me to pick manually. |
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| Author: | bighouserulez [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:05 am ] |
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Rollbacks suck. Plain and simple. It messes up people's queus and makes it impossible for team's to really set up lists. It sounds like if there is a rollback it would ahve to go back to 14. It seems a little unfair to give a rollback to one team and not another. I have been an admin in 30+ drafts and i have to say 1 time have i ever seen it go off unjustly or not being a user error. I am not splitting hairs because it could happen but in all fairness we cannot roll back for one team and not the other. |
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| Author: | timmynausea [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:17 am ] |
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I get why everyone is anti-rollback and the problems it creates, but I'd honestly rather roll it back to make things right for TT and Stretch. Just my opinion. In fact, we know that TT would've taken a guy that wasn't gone as of 1.28. Couldn't we just give Vegas the DT, leave picks 1.15-1.27 the same and let Stretch make his pick? That would leave the draft almost completely unchanged aside from the C being off people's lists. |
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| Author: | Aamalin [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:20 am ] |
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I can only speak for myself at 1.15 and while I was considering doing the dumb thing and taking the center, untimately I think he did me a favor and I took the S. I would have no problem sticking to my pick. |
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| Author: | Tempest56 [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:21 am ] |
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Whichever way we go, my position is that the same rule should be applied to both for fairness - either we roll back to TT's choice, or we don't roll back at all. Much as I don't really want to redo the whole round (and we'll end up, what, three days behind the original schedule now?), it has to be consistent. |
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| Author: | JJ Smitty [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:37 am ] |
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[quote8d45fc7="timmynausea"]I get why everyone is anti-rollback and the problems it creates, but I'd honestly rather roll it back to make things right for TT and Stretch. Just my opinion. In fact, we know that TT would've taken a guy that wasn't gone as of 1.28. Couldn't we just give Vegas the DT, leave picks 1.15-1.27 the same and let Stretch make his pick? That would leave the draft almost completely unchanged aside from the C being off people's lists.[/quote8d45fc7] I like this ++ |
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| Author: | TurfToe [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:41 am ] |
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I'm past it. I'll keep the C. Give Stretch the DT and let's get the draft done. edit: I just want to reserve the right to bitch about it all the time, that's all. |
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| Author: | Voodoo [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:43 am ] |
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Best idea Ive heard so far. /signed I meant timmys btw. Fair of you TT. But at least I bet you end up with a killer center, event if its your 4th |
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| Author: | Stretch [ Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:06 am ] |
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[quote936dd09="timmynausea"]I get why everyone is anti-rollback and the problems it creates, but I'd honestly rather roll it back to make things right for TT and Stretch. Just my opinion. In fact, we know that TT would've taken a guy that wasn't gone as of 1.28. Couldn't we just give Vegas the DT, leave picks 1.15-1.27 the same and let Stretch make his pick? That would leave the draft almost completely unchanged aside from the C being off people's lists.[/quote936dd09] I would agree that we should roll back both or neither. By the way, I hadn't touched my list since the day before the draft. I had logged on a few times to see where we were in the draft process but had not adjusted my list for a day or so. You can think it was user error all you want. DT Anthony has been at the top of my priority list since CB Swift was selected. I've been through 30+ drafts as well and this is the first time I've seen this problem. The precedent has been set in previous years that a rollback should occur. We should roll back to 14, let TT pick and then resume the draft. |
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