:: 2036- Week 13 Complete

This team is an absolute f**king trainwreck.

NOTE: I'm considering converting rookie RB (2nd overall pick) to WR, specifically flanker. The game engine says it can be done without much change to his ratings, but he'll lose a lot of experience (which I can deal with - this season is over).

Is there a protocol for this?

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I don't like the idea but he is not my player. Maybe would should make a poll and leave it up to the league.

First off, yes, creating a rule just for you to not do this would really suck and be wrong.

Lastly, about the change and player in question and my opinion. It certainly seems that on the FOFC boards the consensus is that WR>RB in this version. However, we also know that a new version is in the works for release this year or early next year and the value of one position over another could be very different. Ok, taking that speculation aside, what about this player making the change right now in this version. We know that the WR bars will go down some as a 100 RR for a RB is not the same as 100 RR for a WR, so we know he will not be a 90 overall WR. He has near 100 talent in most every bar for a RB and some of the WR bars will be unknown, but likely to be definitely above average for Courage, Big Play, and Adjust to Ball, but also likely to not be 100. At 5'10", he is not suffering a penalty at RB, but a 5'10" WR will perform between 2%-5% lower than what the WR bars suggest he would perform. All of those dings would still make him a top 8 WR in this league and my guess would be around a 75 overall rating. WRs that start every game gain XP at a decent clip, so he should max out in under 3 seasons after the move. If I had a top 5 or 10 QB and a team nibbling at the playoffs, I would have to really consider this move, but with your QB situation and the uncertainty of the new version of FOF, if it were my team, I could not make that change at this time.

First off, yes, creating a rule just for you to not do this would really suck and be wrong.

Secondly, the rule was there to keep people who were quitting the league from rage quitting and destroying all their players or getting mad at a guy who would not sign a new contract extension and making him worthless before becoming a FA.

Lastly, about the change and player in question and my opinion. It certainly seems that on the FOFC boards the consensus is that WR>RB in this version. However, we also know that a new version is in the works for release this year or early next year and the value of one position over another could be very different. Ok, taking that speculation aside, what about this player making the change right now in this version. We know that the WR bars will go down some as a 100 RR for a RB is not the same as 100 RR for a WR, so we know he will not be a 90 overall WR. He has near 100 talent in most every bar for a RB and some of the WR bars will be unknown, but likely to be definitely above average for Courage, Big Play, and Adjust to Ball, but also likely to not be 100. At 5'10", he is not suffering a penalty at RB, but a 5'10" WR will perform between 2%-5% lower than what the WR bars suggest he would perform. All of those dings would still make him a top 8 WR in this league and my guess would be around a 75 overall rating. WRs that start every game gain XP at a decent clip, so he should max out in under 3 seasons after the move. If I had a top 5 or 10 QB and a team nibbling at the playoffs, I would have to really consider this move, but with your QB situation and the uncertainty of the new version of FOF, if it were my team, I could not make that change at this time.

I hate overtime. GG DG!

Author:	JJ Smitty [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:30 am ]
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Author:	Hoosier [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:47 am ]
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I hate overtime. GG DG!

Author:	BreizhManu [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:21 am ]
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that was close we lost due to the 2pt conversion failed. We allowed Gietka to do everything he wanted in the first half and that's where we lost.

Author:	Cotton [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:09 pm ]
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This team is an absolute f**king trainwreck. NOTE: I'm considering converting rookie RB (2nd overall pick) to WR, specifically flanker. The game engine says it can be done without much change to his ratings, but he'll lose a lot of experience (which I can deal with - this season is over). Is there a protocol for this?

Author:	JJ Smitty [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:40 pm ]
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Quote: This team is an absolute f**king trainwreck. NOTE: I'm considering converting rookie RB (2nd overall pick) to WR, specifically flanker. The game engine says it can be done without much change to his ratings, but he'll lose a lot of experience (which I can deal with - this season is over). Is there a protocol for this? I don't like the idea but he is not my player. Maybe would should make a poll and leave it up to the league.

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Author:	Cotton [ Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:11 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: This team is an absolute f**king trainwreck. NOTE: I'm considering converting rookie RB (2nd overall pick) to WR, specifically flanker. The game engine says it can be done without much change to his ratings, but he'll lose a lot of experience (which I can deal with - this season is over). Is there a protocol for this? I don't like the idea but he is not my player. Maybe would should make a poll and leave it up to the league. I guess my question was "is there a rule". There used to be a forum for position changes here and I was wondering if it still exists. It's unlikely I would change him, but the idea of a poll to create a rule for the sole purpose of preventing me to do something previously allowed is pretty abhorrent to me.

Author:	JJ Smitty [ Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:42 am ]
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1) changing a player's position for the sole purpose of lowering his ratings; That's the only rule about changing players position. The thing about Howie is, he is potential the highest rated runner we have ever had in the league. What happens when you turn him into a WR? Does his ratings drop?

Author:	General Mike [ Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:37 am ]
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Rough loss to Texas in overtime.

Author:	Masked [ Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:54 am ]
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I don't see a problem with that switch if the WR is light enough (which he apparently is given that ratings would not be impacted). WR > RB in the current version of FOF. Of course, I'd rather not have another CJ Hicks in my division.

Author:	thater [ Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:57 am ]
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First off, yes, creating a rule just for you to not do this would really suck and be wrong. Secondly, the rule was there to keep people who were quitting the league from rage quitting and destroying all their players or getting mad at a guy who would not sign a new contract extension and making him worthless before becoming a FA. Lastly, about the change and player in question and my opinion. It certainly seems that on the FOFC boards the consensus is that WR>RB in this version. However, we also know that a new version is in the works for release this year or early next year and the value of one position over another could be very different. Ok, taking that speculation aside, what about this player making the change right now in this version. We know that the WR bars will go down some as a 100 RR for a RB is not the same as 100 RR for a WR, so we know he will not be a 90 overall WR. He has near 100 talent in most every bar for a RB and some of the WR bars will be unknown, but likely to be definitely above average for Courage, Big Play, and Adjust to Ball, but also likely to not be 100. At 5'10", he is not suffering a penalty at RB, but a 5'10" WR will perform between 2%-5% lower than what the WR bars suggest he would perform. All of those dings would still make him a top 8 WR in this league and my guess would be around a 75 overall rating. WRs that start every game gain XP at a decent clip, so he should max out in under 3 seasons after the move. If I had a top 5 or 10 QB and a team nibbling at the playoffs, I would have to really consider this move, but with your QB situation and the uncertainty of the new version of FOF, if it were my team, I could not make that change at this time.

Author:	JJ Smitty [ Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:20 am ]
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Quote: First off, yes, creating a rule just for you to not do this would really suck and be wrong. I wasn't proposing we create a rule just for this situation, I suggested that we create a poll to ask the league's opinion, that's all.

Author:	JJ Smitty [ Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:21 am ]
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Quote: Lastly, about the change and player in question and my opinion. It certainly seems that on the FOFC boards the consensus is that WR>RB in this version. However, we also know that a new version is in the works for release this year or early next year and the value of one position over another could be very different. Ok, taking that speculation aside, what about this player making the change right now in this version. We know that the WR bars will go down some as a 100 RR for a RB is not the same as 100 RR for a WR, so we know he will not be a 90 overall WR. He has near 100 talent in most every bar for a RB and some of the WR bars will be unknown, but likely to be definitely above average for Courage, Big Play, and Adjust to Ball, but also likely to not be 100. At 5'10", he is not suffering a penalty at RB, but a 5'10" WR will perform between 2%-5% lower than what the WR bars suggest he would perform. All of those dings would still make him a top 8 WR in this league and my guess would be around a 75 overall rating. WRs that start every game gain XP at a decent clip, so he should max out in under 3 seasons after the move. If I had a top 5 or 10 QB and a team nibbling at the playoffs, I would have to really consider this move, but with your QB situation and the uncertainty of the new version of FOF, if it were my team, I could not make that change at this time. I agree with this, a new version is coming and who knows what changes are coming with it. Ultimately this is just a video game and it's his player so it's up to you Cotton. I personally wouldn't do it but I love runners over wide outs.

Author:	Cotton [ Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:02 pm ]
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Quote: First off, yes, creating a rule just for you to not do this would really suck and be wrong. Secondly, the rule was there to keep people who were quitting the league from rage quitting and destroying all their players or getting mad at a guy who would not sign a new contract extension and making him worthless before becoming a FA. Lastly, about the change and player in question and my opinion. It certainly seems that on the FOFC boards the consensus is that WR>RB in this version. However, we also know that a new version is in the works for release this year or early next year and the value of one position over another could be very different. Ok, taking that speculation aside, what about this player making the change right now in this version. We know that the WR bars will go down some as a 100 RR for a RB is not the same as 100 RR for a WR, so we know he will not be a 90 overall WR. He has near 100 talent in most every bar for a RB and some of the WR bars will be unknown, but likely to be definitely above average for Courage, Big Play, and Adjust to Ball, but also likely to not be 100. At 5'10", he is not suffering a penalty at RB, but a 5'10" WR will perform between 2%-5% lower than what the WR bars suggest he would perform. All of those dings would still make him a top 8 WR in this league and my guess would be around a 75 overall rating. WRs that start every game gain XP at a decent clip, so he should max out in under 3 seasons after the move. If I had a top 5 or 10 QB and a team nibbling at the playoffs, I would have to really consider this move, but with your QB situation and the uncertainty of the new version of FOF, if it were my team, I could not make that change at this time. This, and all other comments about the idea, from you all are appreciated, especially the fairness they were offered with. As it turns out, Knight's top would drop from 91 to 88 as a wideout, but once a position change is submitted to a game engine, those changes can drop even more, sometimes drastically. But apparently Knight is sort of a Percy Harvin type that can really go either way. Charlie Taylor (from the Redskins of the early 70's) was originally a running back (hence his 42 number) and converted, and Bobby Mitchell also converted to wide out before his Hall of Fame career was over. It's not a stretch in terms of immersion or realism. I would rather have an 88 potential WR than a 91 potential RB. But I'm not going to convert him right now. I need a QB more than any thing, and chances are if I'm drafting one, or developing my rookie Mandylor successfully, my QB will be limited in formations and TEs, RB's and even FBs become a little more helpful to young QBs. WRs always trump all those other positions (unfortunately), but I'm not ready to toss away such potential bell-cow and work-horse (see what I did there) like Knight. He tweaked his knee earlier this season for a couple games and I can't run as much as I want since the Bees are usually behind on the scoreboard or he'd be among the leaders in rushing and all-purpose yards. (If padding stats gave me a willy just for the sake of it, I could run, run, run, but I'd rather win games, if I can.) However, I will be sending him out wide on a number of formations (in the Formation Personnel screens) and putting my fullbacks or other halfbacks in the backfield instead. I've already been doing it lately with some success. Probably the only success the snake-bitten Bees can claim is having a dual threat like Knight to move the chains. So, keeping him where he is lets me get the most out of him. Thanks, guys.

Author:	Hoosier [ Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:38 pm ]
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I've consistently converted running backs to wideouts, and even drafted running backs to convert. Once you've done it a few times, you start to recognize the bars, the height and weight requirements, and the combine data. In the TFL, I have troubles getting wideouts because I'm always drafting in the lower nether regions of the draft, so it became necessary to find the running backs to convert. I converted running back Earnest Byner two seasons into his career and he's now a seventh year wideout rated a 53/53 and my top flanker. When I made the move, he was a mediocre running back with fumblitis, he's now the most sure handed flanker I have. Odd that his bad hands didn't carry over. In the Imperial League I drafted a third round running back who landed 32/46 as an average back, but converted to wideout at 21/53. After tc, he dropped back down to a 21/48, and is now a 26/44, an average flanker. But, he was better than the wideouts left on the board after the FOF Run on receivers that happens in most leagues. So, converting a running back to flanker can be done well, usually if you get that message that says he'll retain 90 percent or better, I do it. It's not an odd move. Pretty safe.

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Author:	Aamalin [ Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:02 pm ]
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Bart Godfrey says, "Convert him, and tell the GM in Death Valley to convert that Wolfe guy too.........."

Author:	JJ Smitty [ Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:33 pm ]
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Honestly it's his player and he can do what he wants with him but I feel Howie could be one of the best runners ever in this league. Maybe we should trade, I have some runner that can change to WR.. haha

Author:	Dean Gullberry [ Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:18 pm ]
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As for Knight, he's your guy. I would love to have him. Returner like Hicks. He should also lead the league in AP yards for years to come, just like the "CJ Hicks Experience" Quote: I hate overtime. GG DG! It should not have gone to OT. GG Hoosier You should have won, but we got lucky.